Skip to main content

Don’t EVER Doubt How Leadership Impacts the Employee Experience, Customer Experience, and Overall Brand Experience!

Image Credit: Ryan Plomp via UnSplash

Today, I feature an interview with Debbie Laskey, MBA. With two decades of marketing experience and an MBA Degree, Debbie developed her marketing expertise while working in the high-tech industry, the Consumer Marketing Department at Disneyland Paris in France, the nonprofit arena, and the insurance industry. 

Her expertise includes brand marketing, social media, employee engagement, leadership development, and customer experience marketing. Since 2002, Debbie has served as a judge for the Web Marketing Association’s annual web award competition. Her Blog has been recognized as one of the "Best 21st Century Leadership Blogs" and also as a "Top 100 Socially-Shared Leadership Blog." Be sure to visit both her website and her blog.

 

Debbie and I have known each other since 2009, when we worked together virtually for MicroMentor, Debbie on the West Coast, and me in the Midwest – and Debbie has appeared here on my blog many times over the years, sharing insights about marketing and leadership. Search “Debbie Laskey” for previous appearances.

 

In my blog posting today, Debbie answers the following questions:

 

Question: In the newly released book, The Experience Mindset, author Tiffani Bova recommends that when companies are attempting to keep up with relentless demands of customers, that they don’t favor the customer experience (CX) over the employee experience. She wrote, “Leaders should consider the implications for employees whenever making strategic decisions to improve CX.” Do you agree with this approach? Why or why not?

 

Debbie Laskey: In the CORNER OFFICE section of The New York Times, there was a memorable interview on January 29, 2011, entitled, "Hey, Rock Stars: Take Your Show SomeplaceElse," conducted by Adam Bryant of Michael Lebowitz, founder and CEO of Big Spaceship, a digital marketing and communications agency.

  

Lebowitz said, "At one job, I watched as a lot of decisions were made behind closed doors and then dictated to the staff without any bridging of the feasibility gap. I remember one website where the owners of the company said, “O.K., we promised this really cool idea to the client.” At the time, it felt genuinely impossible. That experience has informed tremendously how we structure what we do now — you can’t disenfranchise people from the process by just giving them orders."

 

I share this quote because, while leaders may wish to emphasize the value and importance of employees and the overall employee experience, which may not translate to execution. Just as we talk about "walking a mile in the customer's shoes," to understand the overall customer experience and customer journey, we also need leaders to "walk a mile in different employee's shoes" to truly understand the employee experience. Unfortunately, too many leaders climb the corporate ladder, and more often than not, forget about all the steps along the way.

 

Question: As a leader, how best do you empower employees to provide optimum customer experience and go beyond when necessary to fix a poor customer experience?

 

Debbie Laskey: Two words: TAKE OWNERSHIP!

 

Whenever I have had a bad customer experience, I wonder how the outcome could have been positive rather than negative. I am known to say, “I would rather pay for a meal than getting it free, because if it were free, someone provided such horrible service or the meal was wrong, and a manager believed that by not paying, everything was made better. If I paid, then nothing was wrong.”

 

No matter what the industry, if an error occurs, someone can fix it – they just need the tools and authority to do so.

 

Here’s a story from my customer service research about a customer who called Zappos requesting a specific pair of shoes. Zappos did not have the shoes, but the Zappos customer service agent searched online and found the shoes on Amazon while on the phone and told the customer to go to Amazon. Was the Zappos agent trained to do that? Did the Zappos agent have the authority to give Amazon business? Note: this was before Amazon purchased Zappos (July 2009, in case you’re wondering). The moral of the story is that the Zappos employee was trained to provide customer service…in this instance, the agent found a solution to the problem even though it did not result in a sale for Zappos.

 

I provide this story as an example of how employees can think outside the box when attempting to fix poor customer service. Sometimes, a simple apology will work. Other times, more action is needed. But employees need to take ownership and be genuine solution providers.

 

Question: How is providing the best possible brand experience impacted by social media? How does social media make it better and how does it make it worse?

 

Debbie Laskey: Social media has opened a door for brands to easily and quickly communicate with their fans, followers, and customers. However, leaders and their brand marketing/marketing/PR teams must have a “social media strategy” that aligns with their overall marketing plan for response and engagement, or the communication with their audiences will fail.

 

Consider Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter late last year. How many brands left Twitter overnight with no explanation, no sign-off, and no press release? Later, we learned why big brands like NPR, left, but for audiences who regularly counted on Twitter to connect, engage, and/or follow their favorite brands, this lack of attention to a speedy departure felt wrong, no matter how one felt about Musk’s takeover.

 

About a decade ago, there was a joke in marketing circles that leaders did not take social media seriously and asked a teenager (often, a relative) to handle their Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube accounts. This may or may not have been true, but many accounts were unprofessional. This is why I (and many other marketing professionals) have always said, “Your social media policy MUST ALIGN with your overall marketing strategy.” Otherwise, the accounts look like a teenager runs them!

 

If executed well, then content posted on social media platforms will align with a brand’s overall marketing strategy. Content will be consistent. The look and language of the brand will be the same on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, etc. The posts will clearly represent a brand’s image and mission, and users will immediately know that the content reflects your brand. If not, well, users may comment using the hashtag #brandfail – and be confused. And you never, ever want to confuse your audiences because they may go to the competition! Leaders, are you listening?

 

Question: Some will argue that overall, customer service is worse than it has been in years. Do you believe that is the case and if so, what can business leaders do to reverse that situation?

 

Debbie Laskey: The Covid pandemic has changed everything, and yes, customer service has moved down on the list of important items to leaders. However, leaders in all industries have an opportunity to improve their customer service rather than simply using the expression, “We cannot do something or don’t have that product DUE TO THE COVID.” How often have you heard someone say that?

 

There have been so many times during the last three years that I’ve visited the grocery store and noticed empty shelves or near-empty aisles (remember the hoarding and resulting lack of toilet paper!). However, some grocery store employees would explain the lack of items and apologize. Others would ignore the situation. Other stores had fewer employees, and still others would agonize over wearing gloves and masks. My point is that there were many ways to deal with the same situation, thus, the opportunity to stand out with excellent customer service by never forgetting that businesses need customers to survive. 

 

In today’s less severe post-covid era, leaders of all industries have the opportunity to return to an emphasis on positive, memorable, and quality customer service. They need to empower their employees/teams/internal stakeholders. They need to offer regular training to their teams. They need to provide positive reinforcement to their teams. And lastly, and most importantly, they need to ask their teams to walk a mile in their customers’ shoes so that they know first-hand the type of experience that is being provided.

 

When I worked in the Consumer Marketing Department at Disneyland Paris in 1995, there were opportunities to transform oneself and work in the theme park. That meant changing from office attire and becoming either a ride operator, a restaurant worker, or a retail store worker, or a clean-up worker. This was an excellent way to, in other words, go undercover to learn how marketing strategies were implemented and how guests responded.

 

This type of learning can be applied by leaders in just about any industry, and I strongly urge ALL leaders to try it!

Comments

Popular posts from this blog

How To Be More Impactful Through Entrepreneurial Giving

    This Thanksgiving as you think about what you are grateful for, think, too, about how you can be more giving.   To help you discover a more giving you, read the new book, A Talent For Giving , by John Studzinski .   It introduces the meaning of entrepreneurial giving - a hands-on approach to philanthropy that harnesses skills, expertise, and resources. Through thought-provoking insights, A Talent for Giving offers a powerful new roadmap for impact as Studzinski shows how anyone, regardless of financial means, can become a force for change.   You do that by maximizing your Talent , Time , and Treasure and by embracing these values alongside others like Trust , Technology , and Trial , according to Studzinski.   “Giving is any act of kindness or generosity that recognizes and respects the dignity of another human being,” shares Studzinski. “It can be something very simple – a smile, or a hug or a few words. And on a larger scale, it’s giving your time,...

10 Quotes From The 5 Levels Of Leadership -- John C. Maxwell

Soon I'll post my full review of John C. Maxwell's latest book, The 5 Levels of Leadership .  In the meantime, here are some of my favorites quotes from the book that I believe should become a must-read book by any workplace/organizational leader: Good leadership isn't about advancing yourself.  It's about advancing your team. Leaders become great, not because of their power, but because of their ability to empower others. Leadership is action, not position. When people feel liked, cared for, included, valued, and trusted, they begin to work together with their leader and each other. If you have integrity with people, you develop trust.  The more trust you develop, the stronger the relationship becomes.  In times of difficulty, relationships are a shelter.  In times of opportunity, they are a launching pad. Good leaders must embrace both care and candor. People buy into the leader, then the vision. Bringing out the best in a person is often a catal...

How To Build A High-Performing, Resilient Organization With Purpose

  “It’s time to get intentional about organizational culture and to make it strong on purpose,” explain James D. White and Krista White , authors of the new book Culture Design: How To Build A High-Performing, Resilient Organization With Purpose .   “Strong company cultures, deliberately shaped, are the difference between businesses that are great versus those that are just good enough,” they add.   The authors define organizational culture as a set of actions, habits, rituals, and beliefs that determine how work gets done, how decisions get made, and how people experience their workplaces.   "Strong cultures don't emerge by accident," share the authors. "They're built—with clarity, consistency, and design. This book is your guide to intentionally designing a culture that is resilient, inclusive, powerful, and effective."   Informed by over thirty years of operating experience across sectors and in the boardroom, the authors offer these strategies for desig...

Six Steps For Discussing Poor Performance With An Employee

As a leader, the time will come when you will have to speak with an employee about his or her poor performance. Here are  six steps  that will guide you through that process: Tell him what performance is in need of change and be specific. Tell him how his actions negatively affect the team. Let the discussion sink in. Set expectations of performance improvement and timeframe, and get his agreement on the desired outcome. Remind him that he is a valuable part of the team and that you have confidence his performance will improve. Don't rehash the discussion later. You made your point. Give him to make his improvement.

A Roadmap For Next Generation Of Leaders Driving Culture-First Change

  The transformative success of everything today’s leaders are driving – including AI (Artificial Intelligence) – will be determined not by whether they are “good” or “bad,” but by whether their organization’s culture embraces them.   Decades of failed efforts prove that successful change can’t be mandated. That’s what Phil Gilbert believes and professes.   “Change is a product, not a mandate,” says Gilbert. “Transform your initiative into a desirable offering that teams choose to adopt rather than an edict they’re forced to follow. Your organization is the market, and every project team is a potential customer who must be convinced that your approach will solve their problems better than the status quo. This product-centered mindset creates voluntary adoption that spreads organically.”   This proven approach to making transformations is something people run toward, not away from. You’ll learn how this happens in Gilbert’s new book, Irresistible Change: A Bluep...

Learn How To Identify And Overcome Your Leadership Blindspots

"A blindspot is an unrecognized weakness or threat that has the potential to undermine a leader's success," explains author Robert Bruce Shaw .  "Blindspots are tenacious and can reappear, causing problems over a leader's entire career." These blindspots can cause great harm when leaders fail to see what is right in front of them.  Compounding the challenge says Shaw is that: "People who are smart and self-assured are often very skillful at justifying their thinking and behavior--to the point of being in denial about their weaknesses and the threats they face. One of the burdens of moving up is that the complexity of the decisions leaders face increases at the same time as their ability to reveal their vulnerabilities decreases . Blindspots are both the result of individual traits and situational factors.  According to Shaw, there are 2 0 common leadership blindspots that fall under these four categories : Self Team Company Markets ...

Learn The Extraordinary Power Of Caring For Your People Like Family

“Everybody truly does matter. No idea could be simpler or more powerful. It is an idea that has unlimited potential, because people have unlimited potential—to surprise, delight, and elevate themselves, one another and all around the world,” profess Bob Chapman and Raj Sisodia , authors of the newly expanded 10 th anniversary edition of Everybody Matters: The Extraordinary Power Of Caring For Your People Like Family .   The book’s first edition, premiered in 2015 and has sold more than110,000 copies and is available in seven languages.   This book is about truly human leadership that creates off-the-charts morale, loyalty, creativity, and business performance. It manifests the reality that every single person matters, just like in a family. It’s not a clichĂ© on a mission statement; it’s the bedrock of a company’s success.   “The startling truth, supported by research, is that your leader has a greater impact on your health than your doctor, therapist, or even your par...

How Businesses Hone And Also Avoid Drift

  “Honing, not sharpening is a metaphor for how successful businesses keep their competitive edge,” explain authors Geoff Tuff and Steven Goldbach , authors of the new book, Hone: How Leaders Defy Drift . “Today’s leaders seem to be highly focused on increasingly frequent transformation (akin to knife sharpening), when in fact they would be better served by building daily habits to hone their organization like a chef hones a knife.”   Sharpening : This process restores a dull knife edge by removing material to create a new, sharper edge.   Honing : This process realigns the existing edge of a knife, maintaining its sharpness without removing material.   The book is a call to action for leaders to build the capability and mindset to hone their organizations, minimizing—but not eliminating—the need for transformation.   “Choosing and honing the set of management systems that promote an organization's desired outcomes (and uninstalling them when they are past the...

Use These 13 Energizing Verbs To Make Your Communication More Impactful

Here is some great advice from the book,  Anticipate, the Art of Leading by Looking Ahead ,  by  Rob-Jan De Jong . Use these 13 energizing verbs more often when communicating: Discover  (instead of See) Explore  (instead of Discuss) Radiate  (instead of Display) Uncover  (instead of Show) Transform  (instead of Change) Engage  (instead of Involve) Mobilize  (instead of Gather) Stretch  (instead of Develop) Boost  (instead of Increase) Propel  (instead of Move) Deliver  (instead of Give) Grasp  (instead of Understand) Connect  (instead of Join)

Words To Lead By

  Words to lead by : "It's amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." -  President Harry S. Truman . "Motivation is the art of getting people to do what you want them to do because they want to do it." -  President Dwight D. Eisenhower . "I not only use all the brains I have, but all I can borrow." -  President Woodrow Wilson .